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John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:48 pm

This is not official just a straw Poll. If we had someone who was willing to put an on-line site guide together and maintain it do members feel it would be good or bad for the club. We are the only club in the north that don't have one apart from the Cayley Club but they still use parchment

Would it effect the sales of our current site guides?

Brian told me to post this

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:05 pm

as all new members will recieve a site guide when they join then i hope that it should not efect the sale of them. after all the paople who were going to buy one have already done so.

after all how maany other clubs have the website that we have

Mike Brown · Post by **Mike Brown** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:34 am

John Wallis wrote: We are the only club in the north that don't have one.

Not quite John, the Cayley club does not have an on web site guide.
Regards
Mike

dave-mclaughlin · Post by **dave-mclaughlin** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:59 am

Hi Mike,

Is that for similar reasons to ourselves - or just something that has never been implemented?

Mike Brown · Post by **Mike Brown** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:09 pm

dave-mclaughlin wrote:Hi Mike,Is that for similar reasons to ourselves

Yes I believe so, not that the club is that "web" orientated. One site, for example, the landowner insists on having a photo of the underside of every members wing who flies there so he has an idea of who it is whilst he is watching from his house at the bottom of the hill!!
Speaking personally im looking forward to all the money im going to save by just joining one club and then flying where the hell I like instead of currently joining 4!!!!
Now all i've got to do now is convince all the golf clubs in the land that this is also the way forward and golfers too could save an absolute fortune!!!
Cheers

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:24 pm

Just suppose the following........

If we had a club member who was willing to put the on-line site guide together and incorporate Google Earth to view our sites and to make it interactive (administrators could add info for example rotor here on this new site. Danger here, problem there SAFTEY)

And if all the farmers were asked their opinion if they minded what we were doing, including telling them that the site rules and access would be made available for all to see. This would of course be to their and our benefit as responsible people would adhere to these rules. As for irresponsible people well you'll never stop them with or without this guide.

Just think a site guide using Google Earth technology built by an expert

All hypothetical of course

Claire Smith · Post by **Claire Smith** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:51 pm

Sounds great John

It shouldn’t effect the sale of the printed site guides as the first year membership fee is structured to cover the cost of the guide now.

When I raised the point at the last meeting about selling a guide to someone who may fly our sites occasionally and didn’t want to have full membership this was dismissed. I therefore can’t see how it will effect club funds by publishing the site online.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:52 pm

John, you say... as for irresponsible people well you'll never stop them with or without this guide ? so why make it much easier for them by addvertising all our sites !

Site guides on line are a bad idea, rules will be broken and we will never find out who was responsible.

Claire, sites are the back bone of my buisness that why I protect them so much ! I have found most of the sites that we fly and I am not prepaired to lose any of them to irresponsible pilots.

Biddllestone Edge was not lost, the new land owner wanted money.

East & West hill are used the most and if we lose these sites (same land owner) it will have a huge effect on our club and the sport !

What is very annoying to me... the very ones who are making such a fuss about our sites guide going on line hardly ever fly the Cheviots ?

AlastairW · Post by **AlastairW** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:21 pm

so why make it much easier for them by addvertising all our sites !

I will give you an example why it is a good reason to advertise Ronnie....

You may recall that last year there was a lot of talk about the possibility of flying the Tindale Fells, just round the corner from Cumrew.

I spent a day driving round the area, and approached a farmer, who was absolutley dead set against us using his private road for access to the fells.

The Reason?

Some paraglider had flown of the fells about 18 months before, and scared his cattle, by landing in their field.

The fact that it was nothing to do with our club was irrelevant. He just did not want to know about paragliders, who's sole purpose was to upset his cattle.

Now imagine if the pilot had known about Cumrew..... and had flown from there instead. There would have been a fair chance he would have bumped into some club members on the site, who could have spoken to him about site rules, where to land etc etc...... and we may then have had a brilliant site in the North Pennines, instead of a farmer who thinks we are worse than muck.

Now that sounds like a pretty good reason to me....

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:29 pm

Site guides on line are a bad idea, rules will be broken and we will never find out who was responsible and a site may be lost.

I disagree.

The first place people look for information these days is Google. They will find our NHPC site and read it. Some may join the club and start flying with us. Some may decide to look at the site guide and come and look in the beautiful Cheviot Hills and maybe see your school training as they will have seen the correct info for the correct hill and read the correct way of going about it. Which will keep everyone happy.

You've got to remember most if not all the pilots in our club are bloody nice and intelligent people. You MUST get this crazy idea out of your head that this will bring hordes of irresponsible people to the NHPC sites.

I am bursting at the seams with excitement by what I've been told about today. If this happens I will guarantee you will be so impressed you will be embarrassed by thinking it is a bad idea. The guide will not only be about where the flying sites are but will have integrated information for lambing, photos which you either click or mouse over which will then give you an orientated view of what to expect when standing on the hill. It will have a section with each site where you can leave a safety note or remark after a days flying. The admin/coaches/ will I think have access to actually edit the site image from Google earth to add/amend any safety info. It will also have something similar to Cumbrias traffic light system for site sensitivity.

In short if it comes off it will be incredibly beneficial for our club. The guy who has proposed to do this will be giving himself a massive amount of work all to help and improve the club for others.

Really be prepared to be amazed. This is anything but bad for our club it will be the envy of a lot of other clubs.

JW

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:33 pm

So what you are saying we should have these 'irresponsible pilots in our club ? I don't believe for one moment that these pilots never knew about PG clubs in the area ! they just didn't give a jott ! and when these idiots read our guide on the net... brilliant ! just bloody brilliant.

I don't think there will be hords of pilots coming... it only takes one idiot to stuff it up for all.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:36 am

So what you are saying we should have these 'irresponsible pilots in our club ? I don't believe for one moment that these pilots never knew about PG clubs in the area ! they just didn't give a jott ! and when these idiots read our guide on the net... brilliant ! just bloody brilliant.

If someone is an idiot does joining a club change this fact?

John, you say... as for irresponsible people well you'll never stop them with or without this guide ? so why make it much easier for them by addvertising all our sites !

Our sites have been in full view with all the nessasary info re where to TO and what sort of flying you might expect. Its all right here

THE LIST

http://www.nhpc.org.uk/nhpc/modules.php ... country=GB

Number of flights
Site records

Click on the hill and see it in Google earth, Look at any flight in Google earth..

THE DETAILS

http://www.nhpc.org.uk/nhpc/modules.php ... Dview=8836

IT IS ALL THERE

I am bursting at the seams with excitement by what I've been told about today.

Such a shame the same level of interest has not been used by all club members to view what is already under your nose. AND has been there for quite a considerable amount of time. NOW that is embarising.

What is missing from the Jigsaw is info on lambing and restriction etc etc....

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:08 am

It's hardly an on-line sites guide.

Access to it firstly seams to involve a masonic handshake and then you have to take some strange route blind folded to get to the destination.

Seriously though as a potential visitor to your part of the world it does not inspire me to come, as there is very little sites info and I would still not have much of a clue how I should conduct myself whilst there. You need info on dangers, airspace down wind, expected conditions (sea breezes e.t.c.) Directions and not just a map, restrictions on use, relevant sites officers contact details in case of problems.

From what John says the idea sounds fantastic and my only regret is that you may end up out doing us Cumbrians with a flashy on-line sites

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:19 am

Wow just noticed you are advertising CSC sites info on there, Please read my original post about the dangers of advertising flying sites in this way and not by contacting the original clubs sites guide which is kept up to date. I would therefor be grateful if you could remove all our CSC sites off your XC links and simply put a link to the CSC sites guide for people who need this info.

This is the only way we as the CSC can make sure accurate up to date information is in the public domain.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:26 am

It's hardly an on-line sites guide.

Cool your boots big man.

It was not fully developed due to the bureaucracy bollocks, so it is hidden away. Very easy to remedy should the club want to go public.

http://www.nhpc.org.uk/nhpc/modules.php ... Dview=8836

What you also have missed is the other NONE northumberland sites that we all fly..... VERY easy to ad the site details to all flying sites should we wish to.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:57 am

Steve, there is no information about site access on any sites ( google) this is the most important issue !

If the sites guide goes on line will visitors still have to contact the club ?

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:22 am

READ RON

It was not fully developed due to the bureaucracy bollocks, so it is hidden away. Very easy to remedy should the club want to go public.

It is any wonder this club has any members at all...

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:36 am

READ STEVE..

This does not answer my point ? as for club membership its be fine for 33 yrs !

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:52 am

ron freeman wrote:READ STEVE..

This does not answer my point ? as for club membership its be fine for 33 yrs !

There you go, editing your posts again!!!

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:53 pm

What is very annoying to me... the very ones who are making such a fuss about our sites guide going on line hardly ever fly the Cheviots ?

This has just caught my eye will you please list the people you are referring to. If I'm included in this be prepared to read my log book.

JW

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