Attention Club Coaches

Post by **colin keightley** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:37 pm

Lets hope for better conditions when the weather is more predictable we have had times on the coast where we have nearly a week of easterly's ok there is no thermal activity but it is good for flying close to others and you can have a play about in relatively stable air. In an easterly Horden is a magnet for 2 things Dog S**t and Free flyers you will get to meet most of the club there Jim.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:05 pm

Unfortunately, I can't make the meeting which is why I'm putting my thoughts and opinions here,
I'm actually at work

That answers all your questions.

The chances of getting any decent flying in this county are rare, slim and none. So you take your chances when you can and when I was keen, as often as poss, stuff the work/money. So the idea of having to go and "coach" on a good day is not my idea of a good time, but there are some "coaches" that might be up for that.

But lets just get the "BHPA club coach" into some sort of perspective here. It is possible to become a coach after 10 hours flying, and a 2 day seminar, read into that what you will.

From the get go I talked to eveyone on the hill and took what gems I could from whom I respected, trusted and from who had the hours to backup the bull shite, because you will for sure hear plenty of theory.

Take all the advice in the world but some of it may need a little seasoning. YOU are the best coach for you, keep sharp and always remember, gravity always wins.

Jim Bittlestone · Post by **Jim Bittlestone** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:44 pm

I can't stuff work and nor would I want to, the little time I am there I actually quite enjoy, it does clash sometimes, most weekends it seems but I still get out when I can.

But lets just get the "BHPA club coach" into some sort of perspective here. It is possible to become a coach after 10 hours flying, and a 2 day seminar, read into that what you will.

Weh hey! I've just notched my 11th hour, who do I see about getting my coach's ticket?

From the get go I talked to eveyone on the hill and took what gems I could from whom I respected, trusted and from who had the hours to backup the bull shite, because you will for sure hear plenty of theory.

Who are those to be trusted and respected? And probably more importantly....?

A 2 day seminar is still more than I have and 10 hours is more than I had until Tuesday gone.

And working on Brian's principle

One problem is that when people organise events, people who had expressed an interest drop out quicker than the leaves of Autumn.

We'd get nowt done, no I've read and re- read this post, I'm right and you's are wrong.

This is starting to hurt so it looks like I'm spending more hard earned on deisel to Cumbria - the land of opportunity.

brian day · Post by **brian day** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:00 pm

Slow down Jim. The first steps away from the comfort of the radio and instructor are the hardest to take. If you keep crawling back to the comfort blanket then it will take longer. This is the first step to becoming a pilot, it isn't easy for anyone and there will be many more steps to take.
There's many a Cumbrian who would like to be part of our clan, all they've got is good sites, we are the ones with character!

Unfortunately you are beginning to replicate the never ending problem;

One problem is that when people organise events, people who had expressed an interest drop out quicker than the leaves of Autumn.

So I guess you are one that won't be attending the coaching session next Wednesday then? Is your name down for the Club Team Comp next year, or are you going to give that a miss too? Sorry, no free beer!

Post by **colin keightley** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:23 pm

I dont see what all the fuss is about I prefer to be free from the instructor and has been an easy transition for me. Im always thinking many more steps ahead when im flying so I know what to expect but when your receiving instructions down the radio your placing all your trust in the instructor and obviously you dont know what his next instruction is going to be. The winter is fast aproaching with nice stable air (or it is on the coast anyhow) I for one will be making use of it exploring different areas of the lift and really getting to know my glider and honing my skills of making the glider do exactly what I want it to do.

Jim Bittlestone · Post by **Jim Bittlestone** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:02 pm

There's those that know,
There's those that dont know
And there's those that don't know they don't know

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:30 pm

Jim Bittlestone wrote:There's those that know,
There's those that dont know
And there's those that don't know they don't know

WHAT?

Until you manage remove the bee you seam to have lodged up your arse Jim it might be best you do go over the lakes. Your sounding like a guy who is heading for a fall in more ways than one. Not sure what school you went to but your attitude seems very very wrong for flying, you maybe need to go back and have a talk with the school.

Take it easy, and be careful

dave-mclaughlin · Post by **dave-mclaughlin** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:28 pm

Jim Bittlestone wrote:There's those that know,
There's those that dont know
And there's those that don't know they don't know

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

Donald Rumsfeld

Jim Bittlestone · Post by **Jim Bittlestone** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:41 pm

Your sounding like a guy who is heading for a fall in more ways than one.

Please explain.

Mine was just banter, I'm not sure where you're heading?

All I was trying to do was get a better intro for new pilots coming from the school, just trying to help, not neccessarily for me.
I'm not "crawling back to any comfort blanket" and I don't even own a radio.
I never dropped out of any coaching session, I never said I was going as I'm working. I will go when I can in the future. What the XC league has to do with this I don't know? I wasn't aware that names were being put down for next year's XC team's? But why let the truth get in the way of a jibe? Nice one Bri.
As far as my attitude for flying is concerned, I'm not sure where fingers is going with that either? Not just wrong attitude, but very very wrong?
I don't think we've met, never mind on the hill? I fly ok, quite confident really, for a newbie.
I like a bit of excitement but I like a bit of safety as well, no harm in that?
Just cos I'm a new member, low air timer, not in the clique doesn't mean I'm void of opinion or ideas.
I may be a bit less forward in voicing them in the future, especially when folk get aggressive/ take the p*** but that's probably the message some folk want to put over?
I've got the message, a bit aggressively but I've got it. No need.

It's difficult to convey context in the written word, sorry about the "Those that don't know they don't know" bit, (Mcewans Best Scotch Ad),

what I meant was that the blind can be leading the blind and bad habits / advice can be had without knowing it.
I was also frustrated that Brian and others have the impression that I'm a nervous pilot? I'm not, but nor am I a wind dummy.
Apologies for taking up so much time, as I said at the start, I thought I would be p****ing in the wind. Guess I was.
Thanks to those who offerred help, looking forward to flying with you.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:57 pm

Pride comes before a fall, is my meaning.

Your coming across as if you already know it all because you dont seem to be taking on board what others are saying. If your wanting to start a group for beginners in the club, then start one yourself, no one will stop you. All you need is someone who has the experience to ad weight to your idea. You will find the right candidate on the hill, not at any meeting nor in this forum. It all happens out on the hills, and yes its cliquey simply because not many are on the hills every week, we all know each other. When you get to know these people you might come to look back at these posts in a different light.

Its more than likely you will not meet me as I am finished with this sport, for the foreseeable future.

PS

It good your keen, but you need to get out on the hill, thats where it all takes place, its all about finding good flying buddys and your not going to find em in here.