Winter XC league current standings ?

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:29 pm

Can someone please show me the light ! I've tried to filter the current results for the upto date league standings for PG's, Jan 1st 08 / March 25th with no success...help !

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:55 pm

all in order what you have to decide is there a minimum 3 turn pint distance
other than that all is in order of distances

3 Turn Point Distance (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total distance km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 RonDon 64.5 25.0 14.8 7.4 7.2 5.7 4.3
2 Neil Smith 63.9 26.9 10.4 9.3 8.6 5.8 2.9
3 Brian Day 62.7 28.1 10.3 10.3 5.5 5.0 3.4
4 gary stenhouse 42.0 15.4 6.9 6.7 4.9 4.2 3.9
5 Davehorne 22.1 5.7 5.1 3.2 3.0 2.7 2.5
6 Paul Myerscough 18.7 13.8 4.9 - - - -
7 Steve Marshall 8.4 4.8 3.6 - - - -
8 chrisfozz 4.3 4.3 - - - - -

Open Distance (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total distance km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 RonDon 21.3 6.1 4.7 4.0 2.4 2.1 2.0
2 Neil Smith 20.1 6.2 4.3 3.3 2.3 2.2 1.7
3 Brian Day 17.9 6.0 4.8 1.8 1.8 1.8 1.7
4 gary stenhouse 16.6 6.2 4.5 1.8 1.8 1.5 0.9
5 Davehorne 9.4 2.1 2.1 2.0 1.2 1.0 0.9
6 Paul Myerscough 4.8 3.3 1.5 - - - -
7 Steve Marshall 2.6 1.4 1.1 - - - -
8 chrisfozz 2.5 2.5 - - - - -

OLC (6 best flights)
# Pilot OLC total score #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 Neil Smith 105.1 40.4 18.1 17.2 16.3 8.7 4.4
2 RonDon 101.5 37.6 22.2 14.8 10.9 8.5 7.5
3 Brian Day 96.0 42.1 15.5 15.5 8.8 8.2 5.9
4 gary stenhouse 67.8 27.0 10.3 10.1 7.3 6.8 6.3
5 Davehorne 33.2 8.5 7.6 4.8 4.5 4.0 3.8
6 Paul Myerscough 30.5 20.6 9.9 - - - -
7 Steve Marshall 13.6 7.2 6.3 - - - -
8 chrisfozz 6.4 6.4 - - - - -

FAI Triangle (6 best flights)
# Pilot km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 Neil Smith 8.6 8.6 - - - - -
2 RonDon 7.4 7.4 - - - - -
3 Paul Myerscough 4.9 4.9 - - - - -
4 gary stenhouse 0.8 0.8 - - - - -

Duration (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total duration #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 RonDon 6:44:40 1:22:40 1:17:20 1:13:00 1:12:40 1:03:10 0:35:50
2 Neil Smith 5:39:39 2:06:55 1:37:31 0:45:52 0:29:00 0:22:45 0:17:36
3 Brian Day 4:43:20 1:37:00 1:07:20 0:38:10 0:34:55 0:28:50 0:17:05
4 Davehorne 3:22:03 1:07:27 0:51:15 0:33:46 0:29:23 0:11:09 0:09:03
5 gary stenhouse 2:43:03 1:01:35 0:26:54 0:23:56 0:23:15 0:15:48 0:11:35
6 Paul Myerscough 2:27:43 1:31:24 0:56:19 - - - -
7 Steve Marshall 0:46:38 0:30:12 0:16:26 - - - -
8 chrisfozz 0:09:51 0:09:51 - - - - -

Altitude gain (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total altitude gain #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 Paul Myerscough 1274 m 689 m 585 m - - - -
2 Neil Smith 907 m 614 m 179 m 44 m 36 m 20 m 14 m
3 RonDon 717 m 267 m 192 m 95 m 74 m 50 m 39 m
4 Davehorne 609 m 377 m 90 m 70 m 52 m 21 m -1 m
5 Brian Day 348 m 111 m 77 m 53 m 52 m 28 m 27 m
6 gary stenhouse 257 m 67 m 48 m 45 m 43 m 31 m 23 m
7 Steve Marshall 38 m 24 m 14 m - - - -
8 chrisfozz -10 m -10 m - - - - -

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ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:16 pm

I now need the Minutes of Jan meeting...and due to the forum changes they are not available....

I think we decided open distance KM ? but I also remember a 5k minmum for the winter XC league PG's ?

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:32 pm

A change was proposed for the format of the club league.
New format;
Winter Comp; Jan 1st - March 31st to be scored on OLC points
Summer Comp; Jan 1st – November 30th to be scored on Open Distance Km
This will give pilots the ability to check their progress on the online league
The change was voted on; Majority for, Against Nil
Motion carried,

OLC (6 best flights)
# Pilot OLC total score #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 Neil Smith 105.1 40.4 18.1 17.2 16.3 8.7 4.4
2 RonDon 101.5 37.6 22.2 14.8 10.9 8.5 7.5
3 Brian Day 96.0 42.1 15.5 15.5 8.8 8.2 5.9
4 gary stenhouse 67.8 27.0 10.3 10.1 7.3 6.8 6.3
5 Davehorne 33.2 8.5 7.6 4.8 4.5 4.0 3.8
6 Paul Myerscough 30.5 20.6 9.9 - - - -
7 Steve Marshall 13.6 7.2 6.3 - - - -
8 chrisfozz 6.4 6.4 - - - - -

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:08 pm

Can some one explain why OLC for winter ? and open distance for summer...

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:48 pm

Can some one explain why OLC for winter ? and open distance for summer...

Because.......

It's what was suggested and voted on at the January meeting.

The thinking behind it was that with the winter Xc league being a bit of fun and micky mouse ridge runs if we all scored OLC it would make reading the XC table simple. Then in the spring / summer when the flying gets a bit more serious it was decided Open distance KM because "Most" flights are straight line XC and scores the actual distance flown. I think over the years of fighting about this scoring system the majority of good XC pilots prefered this method of scoring for real XC flying against the OLC method.

If anyone thinks it should be changed to a different format and they are prepared to implement it come to the next meeting and speak up.

brian day · Post by **brian day** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:41 pm

The system was put forward, voted on and agreed at the meeting, so should stand for this years competition. The minutes were posted the day after the meeting and there were no objections raised at the following meeting. Case closed, end of story.
This argument happens at the 'end' of every season, with the same hapless few raising the objections, there is no excuse for 'not knowing', 'not understanding', 'not being told', whys or wherefores. If you don't agree, raise it at the meeting at the end of the year with your new ideas, the members will listen, as they did this year, make up their minds, vote and the idea with the most votes will be used for next year.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:41 pm

All this is totally irrelevant Ron, as if someone does not get thier finger out and arrange payment for the web hosting there will be no league nor forum nor website.

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:47 pm

spoke to andrew today and he paid then last wweek by bank transfer

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:15 am

After some of the remarks above I will save my comments for the next meeting, lets hope there is more than the average 15 members turning up & voting about issues they understand.

Dave Hume · Post by **Dave Hume** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:08 pm

gary stenhouse wrote:all in order what you have to decide is there a minimum 3 turn pint distance
other than that all is in order of distances

3 Turn Point Distance (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total distance km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 RonDon 64.5 25.0 14.8 7.4 7.2 5.7 4.3
2 Neil Smith 63.9 26.9 10.4 9.3 8.6 5.8 2.9
3 Brian Day 62.7 28.1 10.3 10.3 5.5 5.0 3.4
4 gary stenhouse 42.0 15.4 6.9 6.7 4.9 4.2 3.9
5 Davehorne 22.1 5.7 5.1 3.2 3.0 2.7 2.5
6 Paul Myerscough 18.7 13.8 4.9 - - - -
7 Steve Marshall 8.4 4.8 3.6 - - - -
8 chrisfozz 4.3 4.3 - - - - -

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That would appear to be paragliding only Gary. A quick look at the hang gliders shows Alan has 70km total. For some reason I can't get my browser to show all glider types.....

Just one of the problems.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:35 am

Hi Dave, we are in a situation where the winter XC league is being scored using OLC from 1st Jan to March 31st but the Summer XC league is also from 1st Jan but its being scored open distance km I don't understand, do you ?

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:04 am

there you go just like that you have the best open distance all done for you at the click of a button.

open xc league then click club then click year then click country then re click xc league button at the top and there you have it all the flights in order. all you have to do after that is check which olc you are using olc distance. olc km which is the one used by nxl whick is the 3 turn point. open distance km altitude and duration. it does not get much easier to check the only thing tha will need to be checked is if we our only allowing 1 flight per day. but on the nxl you can actualy do pre declared flights and that is more than 1 and without landing claim 2 flights

Open Distance (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total distance km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 Brian Day 27.7 8.8 6.0 4.8 4.4 1.8 1.8
2 Neil Smith 26.6 8.2 6.2 4.3 3.3 2.3 2.2
3 gary stenhouse 23.2 7.3 6.2 4.5 1.8 1.8 1.7
4 RonDon 21.3 6.1 4.7 4.0 2.4 2.1 2.0
5 Davehorne 9.4 2.1 2.1 2.0 1.2 1.0 0.9
6 Alastair Wolf 8.2 8.2 - - - - -
7 Paul Myerscough 4.8 3.3 1.5 - - - -
8 Steve Marshall 2.6 1.4 1.1 - - - -
9 chrisfozz 2.5 2.5 - - - - -

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:18 am

Hi Dave, we are in a situation where the winter XC league is being scored using OLC from 1st Jan to March 31st but the Summer XC league is also from 1st Jan but its being scored open distance km I don't understand, do you ?

The idea was for the winter XC league (Micky Mouse flights and "Generally" ridge runs) to be scored OLC.

The summer XC league is where the real XC flying is done and it was agreed that this would be scored on open distance KM.

The flights that have already been done in the winter league carry on into the summer league hence what appears to looks like a double start date.

From the first of April just click on the open distance scoring section of the XC league (Not OLC) and it will instantly show pilots positions.

Again the idea for the OLC scoring during the winter section was for pilots who managed to get any sort of flying some points on the board this I thought would encourage pilots of all levels to see their name on the score sheet.

From April 1st when the real flying starts it will be measured in straight line distance as most flights are straight line.

Triangles, out and returns, flight to goal etc etc can maybe looked at next time. Some of the triangles I've seen submitted are a joke anyway. One end of the ridge to the other then get high and fly out as far as you can

As I've already stated if you are really serious on XC your flights should be logged into the NXCL which I know a few of you have done.

At the end of the day this is a club league and not the Worlds.

I hope this helps clear up your misunderstanding

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:34 am

as per normal when the big xc season starts thats when we start geting less distance.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:11 pm

All open distance end of story, I've never read so much clap trap & waffle John...this is getting ridiculous it should be one or the other.

Click on this... click on that...somebody want the job scoring this league using OLC & Open distance km...I've lost interest.

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:01 pm

All open distance end of story, I've never read so much clap trap & waffle John...this is getting ridiculous it should be one or the other.

That's exactly what is is open distance from April 1st What is your problem? Remember this was voted on at a club meeting the way you like it.

It doesn't need anyone to keep score it does it automatically. So stop frigging moaning and for a change say something positive instead of moaning every time you open your mouth.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:21 pm

Yet again more clap trap...this was proposed by you John as we all know !
your proposal was put through and voted on all in the space of 3-5 mins with no time to think about the changes...we should be using one scoring system for all flights...wether you think winter XC flights are micky mouse has no reference whats so ever to scoring...the system we use should be consistant & fair.

You say klick on the open distance from 'April' for the Summer XC league all you are doing is now scoring all you flights from 1st Jan this is not consistant or fair.

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:51 pm

well after today i am now in second place in the hg league it's all abot been on the hill some great flying

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:19 pm

Yet again more clap trap...this was proposed by you John as we all know !
your proposal was put through and voted on all in the space of 3-5 mins with no time to think about the changes...we should be using one scoring system for all flights...wether you think winter XC flights are micky mouse has no reference whats so ever to scoring...the system we use should be consistant & fair.

You say klick on the open distance from 'April' for the Summer XC league all you are doing is now scoring all you flights from 1st Jan this is not consistant or fair.

Whatever I can't be bothered with you.

Congrats on todays flying Gary

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:04 am

Nice to be congratulated from someone who thinks its micky mouse flying !

I certainly don't Gary, well done to someone who is trying.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:18 am

If the XC League is so complicated how does Gary know hes second?

Cumon ROn (or anyone)

A few clicks here and there

Select the Club from the little house icon

type of craft = HG or PG
Date = 2008
Country = UK

Then XC League > All categories

You then have a league for HG or PG for the year 2008 for the UK and for the NHPC.

5 clicks and all the scoring is worked out, no need to be using a calculator.

I think this might be the 10th time I have gone through this, I think the only thing to do is go with the majority. Those who know how it works take control and those who dont, take a back seat till you do. Go with the flow, everyone is using GPS......................... EVERYONE.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:10 am

I understand all that you have said Steve and agree, my point is if open distance km is good enough for summer league it should be good enough for winter league and it will be consistant.

Last year I can remember the club agreed to adopt the NXCL rules...and they use one method of scoring - km and there is also a minimum distance for your flight to score.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:14 pm

I personally think the OLC is all you need, it scores fairly all types of flights.

It encourages all manner of disciplines. Triangles / Out and return / open distance / etc etc.

Dave Hume · Post by **Dave Hume** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:09 pm

gary stenhouse wrote:there you go just like that you have the best open distance all done for you at the click of a button.

open xc league then click club then click year then click country then re click xc league button at the top and there you have it all the flights in order. all you have to do after that is check which olc you are using olc distance. olc km which is the one used by nxl whick is the 3 turn point. open distance km altitude and duration. it does not get much easier to check the only thing tha will need to be checked is if we our only allowing 1 flight per day. but on the nxl you can actualy do pre declared flights and that is more than 1 and without landing claim 2 flights

Open Distance (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total distance km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 Brian Day 27.7 8.8 6.0 4.8 4.4 1.8 1.8
2 Neil Smith 26.6 8.2 6.2 4.3 3.3 2.3 2.2
3 gary stenhouse 23.2 7.3 6.2 4.5 1.8 1.8 1.7
4 RonDon 21.3 6.1 4.7 4.0 2.4 2.1 2.0
5 Davehorne 9.4 2.1 2.1 2.0 1.2 1.0 0.9
6 Alastair Wolf 8.2 8.2 - - - - -
7 Paul Myerscough 4.8 3.3 1.5 - - - -
8 Steve Marshall 2.6 1.4 1.1 - - - -
9 chrisfozz 2.5 2.5 - - - - -

That's still paragliding only Gary........

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:20 pm

Dave, dave, dave................

Your the sort that would complain the TV screen is black when its turned off.

"you need to turn it on sir"

"Yeh...but its like... black"

"Sir, please listen, you need to turn it on at the wall, then push the on button"

"...but its all black like..."

"It will be sir, you need to turn it, its ment to be like that."

"Yeh...but its like... black... all I see is Black."

"Sir........ please do try and understand before one of us dies.... YOU NEED TO SWITCH THE TV SET ON BEFORE YOU WILL SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN BLACK"

".............Ohhh......yeh.......BUT...but it Black....."

"BBBBbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Dave Hume · Post by **Dave Hume** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:45 pm

Fingers wrote:Dave, dave, dave................

Your the sort that would complain the TV screen is black when its turned off.

In this case Steve I was simply replying to Gary's posts which were supposed to be sorting out the scores for Ronnie, our competitions officer to figure out who had won the winter XC league. In both cases Gary's posts quoted only paragliding scores so naturally I thought it needed pointing out since this competition includes both hang gliding and paragliding, unless of course that's also been changed now........

Incidentally when I try to get the XC League to display all glider types it defaults back to paragliding. Is this a general problem or just a Mac/Firefox thing?

Dave

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:04 pm

That's a problem dave... and unless I get a massive increase of motivation to fix, will remain un fixed.

I dont think its to much to live with? is there a comp for all and any glider? if so does a fixed wing flight count?

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:06 pm

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3 Turn Point Distance (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total distance km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 alan westmoreland 70.4 23.9 22.0 14.8 3.3 3.3 3.0
2 gary stenhouse 52.1 16.2 10.8 8.6 8.2 4.7 3.5
3 MadDog 31.1 9.3 8.3 7.2 5.0 1.4 -
4 Ron Freeman 29.2 29.2 - - - - -
5 John Wallis 12.7 7.1 4.4 1.2 - - -

Open Distance (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total distance km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 alan westmoreland 23.9 10.3 7.5 4.0 0.8 0.7 0.6
2 Ron Freeman 14.0 14.0 - - - - -
3 MadDog 12.5 7.9 1.6 1.6 1.2 0.3 -
4 gary stenhouse 12.4 3.1 2.6 2.2 1.8 1.4 1.3
5 John Wallis 3.4 1.6 1.4 0.4 - - -

OLC (6 best flights)
# Pilot OLC total score #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 alan westmoreland 111.5 41.8 33.1 22.2 5.0 5.0 4.5
2 gary stenhouse 79.9 24.3 16.2 13.0 12.4 7.0 7.0
3 Ron Freeman 51.1 51.1 - - - - -
4 MadDog 46.7 13.9 12.5 10.8 7.5 2.0 -
5 John Wallis 19.7 10.7 6.6 2.4 - - -

FAI Triangle (6 best flights)
# Pilot km #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 gary stenhouse 6.6 3.5 3.1 - - - -
2 John Wallis 1.2 1.2 - - - - -

Duration (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total duration #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 gary stenhouse 6:52:29 2:25:23 1:32:10 0:58:11 0:52:50 0:36:57 0:26:58
2 alan westmoreland 5:32:23 1:32:27 1:10:47 1:10:24 0:38:50 0:33:34 0:26:21
3 MadDog 3:00:18 1:28:36 0:35:33 0:28:43 0:24:37 0:02:49 -
4 Ron Freeman 1:16:59 1:16:59 - - - - -
5 John Wallis 0:54:43 0:30:23 0:17:13 0:07:07 - - -

Altitude gain (6 best flights)
# Pilot Total altitude gain #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
1 gary stenhouse 1364 m 319 m 279 m 242 m 224 m 182 m 118 m
2 MadDog 916 m 328 m 272 m 222 m 50 m 44 m -
3 John Wallis 392 m 251 m 110 m 31 m - - -
4 Ron Freeman 0 m - - - - - -
5 alan westmoreland 0 m - - - - - -

Dave Hume · Post by **Dave Hume** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:21 pm

Fingers wrote:That's a problem dave... and unless I get a massive increase of motivation to fix, will remain un fixed.

I dont think its to much to live with? is there a comp for all and any glider? if so does a fixed wing flight count?

My fault for not spotting this way back when Steve, when you still had motivation. Strange that no-one else spotted this, or commented on it though....

As far as I know the club competitions are for any hang glider or paraglider type which of course includes Tony's fixed wing (which is a Class 5 hang glider I think). Most cups are for all classes, but I think there are one or two which are specific to hang gliding and paragliding.

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Winter XC league current standings ?

Winter XC league current standings ?

More work...

OLC winter league open distance Summers league

Bit of fun !

OLC & Open distance Km

All open distance end of story !

Yet again...

Nice to be....

Totaly agree Steve but