As John Wallis has said in another thread, the world and his wife were out at Horden today:
Me
Gary
Colin
Wendy
Ronnie
Eddie
Colin
Chris Foster
Chris Little
Jan Little
Alan Westmoreland
|Brian Day
Ron Don
Mike Brown
Mad Dog
Paul Myerscouse
Andrew Maltby
Gary
And some more who I didnt recognise in their flying gear...
Lots of new wings getting covered in dog Sh1t........
And some cracking flying!
Gary, myself and Chris Little managed to jump the gap at Blackhall, and got down to the rocky headland there.
Turned back, and Gary and myself flew all the way up to Seaham, and back.
Bit difficult to get round the headlands..... Gary and I were whooping and hollering as we got past each one on the way back..... great fun!
Best days flying I have had at Horden.....
For some reason my tracklog on the league does not show the full flight, but the google earth one does..... Help please Gary!!!
Cracking day at Horden!
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Top end flying !
The flying did look good but it was also very top end flying, there were some very interesting top landings made...
Low end pilots were trying to take off in 18-22 mph winds because they saw much more experienced pilot doing it with much faster wings.
Quite a few were flying with speed bar just to stay out in front ! (not good)
Eddie was blown back over the cliff one mile off to the north and had a very rough landing but he got away with it....this time ! John Miller got stuck at south side of Seaham and had to land.
Low airtimers have got to take into account there own ability when making very important decisions it take experience to make the right decisions unfortunately this take time !
The more airtime you achieve the more you will be relaxed to make the right choices for you own survival !
Sites like Hordon can catch you out big time if you start to follow other pilots especially if you don't know who they are and what type of wing they are flying.
We need to include in our site guide - Hordon, when the wind is off to the east and you decide to fly to the north and around the first headland (1 mile apox) there will be lots of times when you will not be able to get back in a paraglider and make sure you know the times of the tides.
Happy safe flying.
Low end pilots were trying to take off in 18-22 mph winds because they saw much more experienced pilot doing it with much faster wings.
Quite a few were flying with speed bar just to stay out in front ! (not good)
Eddie was blown back over the cliff one mile off to the north and had a very rough landing but he got away with it....this time ! John Miller got stuck at south side of Seaham and had to land.
Low airtimers have got to take into account there own ability when making very important decisions it take experience to make the right decisions unfortunately this take time !
The more airtime you achieve the more you will be relaxed to make the right choices for you own survival !
Sites like Hordon can catch you out big time if you start to follow other pilots especially if you don't know who they are and what type of wing they are flying.
We need to include in our site guide - Hordon, when the wind is off to the east and you decide to fly to the north and around the first headland (1 mile apox) there will be lots of times when you will not be able to get back in a paraglider and make sure you know the times of the tides.
Happy safe flying.
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No too lazy for Hang Gliders now in me old age im afraid. All that lugging around,rigging,de-rigging, roof racks, space needed at home for them etc etc. Maybe if I was more desperate to fly and didn't have the advantage of all the flying I get on the Paramotor then maybe......!! Still wouldn,t mind one of the early Rogallo's like I used to fly, slightly more sensible landing speeds than the machines of today but maybe not quite so controllable!!
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Absolutely right Ronnie!
I saw a number of people yesterday flying right on the top of the cliffs, where there is not actually as much lift as when you push out in front. And because of the venturi effect the wind speed is actually higher in that position.
And a couple of people well back in the gap to the left of t/o. The wind accelerates in that gap, and it would be dead easy to get pinned.
If it is strong, stay out in front, even if you have to end up landing on the beach.
I was using my bar a lot yesterday, but not to stay out in front. Min sinking in the lifty bits, then accelerating on the sections that were out of wind.
I saw a number of people yesterday flying right on the top of the cliffs, where there is not actually as much lift as when you push out in front. And because of the venturi effect the wind speed is actually higher in that position.
And a couple of people well back in the gap to the left of t/o. The wind accelerates in that gap, and it would be dead easy to get pinned.
If it is strong, stay out in front, even if you have to end up landing on the beach.
I was using my bar a lot yesterday, but not to stay out in front. Min sinking in the lifty bits, then accelerating on the sections that were out of wind.
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Yes I was flying on speed bar a lot, because I do! Not because the conditions required it. It was good practice trying and actively fly with the speed bar rather than the brakes.
What's with Lemmings, my wing is a lemon segment colour?
I think Eddie may have been caught out because he has just changed to a light weight harness and may be on the lower end of the weight range for his wing, something he may not have considered to be a contributing factor in his decision to fly.
Again, a point for people using radios, I had tried to warn both Brian and Eddie about the dangers of the headlands when I saw them following me.
We all have experiences which help to change our future decision making.
Someone made a comment to me yesterday about learning to fly and how it takes at least two or three years. I had to disagree with them, I think you should always be learning. Learning new techniques, how to keep yourself safe, fly within your limits, the limits of your equipment, the limits of the site and the limits of the day.
PS. I had a great days flying, good take offs, good landings and good banter on the ground. And well done to those jammy gits that just managed to get the window of opportunity that opened up the whole ridge.
If only I'd been like a Lemming and followed rather than doing my own thing and going the opposite way. 
What's with Lemmings, my wing is a lemon segment colour?
I think Eddie may have been caught out because he has just changed to a light weight harness and may be on the lower end of the weight range for his wing, something he may not have considered to be a contributing factor in his decision to fly.
Again, a point for people using radios, I had tried to warn both Brian and Eddie about the dangers of the headlands when I saw them following me.
We all have experiences which help to change our future decision making.
Someone made a comment to me yesterday about learning to fly and how it takes at least two or three years. I had to disagree with them, I think you should always be learning. Learning new techniques, how to keep yourself safe, fly within your limits, the limits of your equipment, the limits of the site and the limits of the day.
PS. I had a great days flying, good take offs, good landings and good banter on the ground. And well done to those jammy gits that just managed to get the window of opportunity that opened up the whole ridge.
If only I'd been like a Lemming and followed rather than doing my own thing and going the opposite way. See you out there!!!!!
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Its called skill Brian....And well done to those jammy gits that just managed to get the window of opportunity that opened up the whole ridge
Paul is absolutely right, that you should not follow someone like a lemming...... But Gary and I flew together for probably about 90 mins yesterday, and it was useful to watch what his wing was doing whilst he was in front, and presumably vice versa
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You must admit though brian some of the launches were very iffy. Which wasnt all due to the pilot in some cases. Some of those pushing instead of giving them steady even preshure they were pushing to hard causing the wing to fall back which resulted in the pilot clipping the edge in some cases.
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Must have been too busy flying to notice.
If you have to be pushed off a launch, you shouldn't be flying. The number of people that offered to push me yesterday was beginning to annoy, basically no! don't even offer!
I only pushed people who asked and that was their decision to fly, not mine and I only assisted pilots who I thought were capable and were flying wings appropriate to the conditions, All the good pilots managed without assistance. Which goes back to Ronnies' comments about people flying and making their own minds up about the conditions.
If you have to be pushed off a launch, you shouldn't be flying. The number of people that offered to push me yesterday was beginning to annoy, basically no! don't even offer!
I only pushed people who asked and that was their decision to fly, not mine and I only assisted pilots who I thought were capable and were flying wings appropriate to the conditions, All the good pilots managed without assistance. Which goes back to Ronnies' comments about people flying and making their own minds up about the conditions.
See you out there!!!!!
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i must say a very good days flying and made better flying with others. the funny thing about flying the coast the margins our so much smaller in ragard to wind speed. this is because the hill is small and needs more wind, and that wind you are flying in is almost ground level. on a big hill like model it may be 20 at the front but the real wind is 10 out front. at horden at 20-22 it is more like 15-18 airspeed as when you can see the white horses it is 15mph plus. so you can see why you get into dificulty more easily at the coast. after all we our all still learning.
I waited around for two hours in the morning then came back in the afternoon to see if the wind had eased off a little. It hadnt so I decided not to fly. 20+ is too much for me though it is tempting when the weather has been bad for so long. 
Just watching a few launches put me off with two people hanging onto someones legs throwing them off! If I cant take of on my own then I would certainly be worried about landing on my own.
I want to thank Mike for taking the time in the morning to show me and my friends around the site pointing out things to avoid, landing options etc, Cheers. The weather is improving so im sure ill get in the air (safely) soon!
Just watching a few launches put me off with two people hanging onto someones legs throwing them off! If I cant take of on my own then I would certainly be worried about landing on my own.
I want to thank Mike for taking the time in the morning to show me and my friends around the site pointing out things to avoid, landing options etc, Cheers. The weather is improving so im sure ill get in the air (safely) soon!
Another thanks must go out to Mike who was very helpful showing us the site and dog sh*te at Horden!
I didnt fly in the end myself as a constant 23mph was way too strong for me which was backed up by observing some very iffy dragged launches assisted by 2 anchor men and one pusher! Id rather be the lemming that was late for the march than the "pusher" or the "to be pushed". I think the number of Hang Gliders that were there kind of gave the game away for me to just say no!
Thanks again Mike for your wise words and help it was much appreciated.
I didnt fly in the end myself as a constant 23mph was way too strong for me which was backed up by observing some very iffy dragged launches assisted by 2 anchor men and one pusher! Id rather be the lemming that was late for the march than the "pusher" or the "to be pushed". I think the number of Hang Gliders that were there kind of gave the game away for me to just say no!
Thanks again Mike for your wise words and help it was much appreciated.