Chris has also booked us onto Jock's relaxing SIV
Or so he's trying to convince me!!!
So if any one fancies joining our relaxing hol more the merrier
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Been very cheesed off with this weather so we have just booked a trip to Turkey in the May school hol's.
Chris has also booked us onto Jock's relaxing SIV
Or so he's trying to convince me!!!
So if any one fancies joining our relaxing hol more the merrier
Chris has also booked us onto Jock's relaxing SIV
Or so he's trying to convince me!!!
So if any one fancies joining our relaxing hol more the merrier
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Typed these notes up for the last meeting as a back up for Chris in case there were no takers for the holiday talks. As it happened the presentations were great. The following words might help anyone thinking about doing an S.I.V. Written as It came to mind and pretty much how I felt about the course.
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S.I.V Course Olu.. Denize 2007
S.I.V Means Simulated Incidence in flight
The course lasts around 4 days
The day starts at around 8am
Introduction safety Life Jackets Radios and water proof containers for the radios . Type of glider and colours are noted. Your experience and the like are discussed. I only had 6 hours when I did the course. The reason for this was not because I was mad or a hero, but because I could fly a paraglider but I didn’t know what to do if things went wrong and I considered this quite a dangerous time of transition.
The mornings manoeuvres are discussed and it takes a bit of remembering what you have to do as there can be few. The same happens after lunch in the afternoon. It is quite hard work and you will be exhausted mentally if not physically at least I was. Plus you don’t get much sleep at night as your mind is racing about what’s coming the next day.
The Truck takes you up to launch of Mt Babadag where there’s a choice of take offs 1700 or 1900 meters. If the wind is too strong or the top is covered by cloud there’s another exciting take off at 900 meters.
Most take offs are alpine launches so these need to be practised before you go, you do not want to make an arse of these on take off you have enough on your mind as it is....Practise them and get them right.
There are many manoeuvres during the course so I’ll try to recall some of them as I remember.
It starts with big ears then big big ears everyone has done big ears but the big big ears leaves just a small section of wing flying above your head. All manoeuvres finish with wing overs where Jockey makes you really go for it.
There are self induced full frontal tucks where you pull on the brakes to slow down the glider then you release to let the wing speed up and surge forward. When the wing is well in front of you, you grab the “a” risers and pull as hard as you can the canopy does a massive frontal tuck but recovers in seconds. I remember quizzing Jockey at the briefing on this one as I thought it was dangerous.
There were loads of asymmetrics where you pull on the “A” risers on one side and correct with weight shift and brake. No big deal once you’ve done it several times.
There were rapid decent manoeuvres one of them was “B” Lining where you slid your arms right up the “B” lines and pulled down slowly. At first it’s quite hard and it can lift you out of your harness then the pressure drops and you’re able to hold the lines down. This breaks the back of the glider and destroys the airflow over the canopy. The rate of decent can be quite high.
There was search for spin where you would slow the glider down then bury one brake. The glider would almost instantly go into a spin at which point you would put both hands up to recover. The glider would stabilise then surge forward quite a bit which had to be damped. This was done several times.
There was my favourite where you had to pull on one of your “a” lines then lean into the turn only to see what happens if you don’t correct collapses. The idea is to rotate a couple of times then release with opposite brake and weight shift. This can go very wrong and put you into a very severe spiral which is what happened to me. I’ve told this event several times but for those that haven’t heard the outcome it’s worth taking note as it could save you neck.
My Story...... (My account of what happened and how It was corrected)
After many spirals pulling a lot of G and Jocky's voice coming through the radio shout Right brake right brake many times I knew I had a problem. Hand on heart I thought the next command would be deploy deploy. With my right hand locked down hard as hard as it would go I had a look around above my head wondering why the glider wouldn't react. The answer was in my left hand I had about 4" of brake on the left side didn't even know I was pulling it. As soon as I put my left hand up the glider came out with a bang then a "Massive" surge forward. The sail looked lower than the horizon and you get the feeling you might fall into it. I pulled so hard on the brakes to stop the surge it all corrected itself quite quickly. Jocky's voice was ecstatic with this " Fantastic recover" I was ecstatic because the fcuk thing came out. He then said OK wing overs down to the beach.....I told him to fcuk off.
Many of the manoeuvres end up with a cravat in the wing sometimes there’s two. What you learn from this is a cravat can be either nothing or something. If you keep the glider flying straight with the cravat in and use the stabilo line to pull the tangle out it’s not a big deal. If you don’t keep the glider flying straight it will very quickly go into a turn then a spiral which will probably end up as a reserve deployment.
Then you have your final day.
The morning is taken up with the full stalls....several of them. This day was the only day that I saw Neil Smith going up in the truck saying nothing with quite a worried look on his face. Maltby and I got to take off and went into a corner by ourselves constantly going through the manoeuvre time and time again. We both came to the conclusion that we had stalled all sorts of aircraft and if we carried it out exactly how Jockey had told us there wouldn’t be a problem. Ha ha ha.......
The idea is to pull down hard on both brakes and lock your arms and keep them locked this is very important. The glider falls way behind you similar to being tipped off a stool backwards. It’s at this point that you feel like you want to release your arms but you must keep them locked. The glider is just a bag of washing above your head and rocks forward and back. It’s essential that you keep your arms locked until the glider is in front of you and then you release in a two stage movement. So glider in front of you release brakes to about half way then quickly release the rest of them then dampen out the forward surge. You will be made to do several stalls.
As most of you will know Jill Mcgeachie had troubles when she stalled craveted spiralled then deployed into the sea. This was worth watching and seeing things you only read about in Skywings. Jill's a man's woman but me being a bit of a girl would have had my reserve out as soon as the spiral locked in. Having said that see had the height to experiment (Much height) and she got it flying again. I doubt you would have that luxury in the UK.
The very last trip up the mountain allowed you to do anything you wanted on your glider while still under supervision. Some pilots did spirals some did SATS I "SAT" on the beach with a beer watching as I’d had my spiral the day before and didn’t want another.
SIV conclusion.
Was six hours flying time enough to do an S.I.V Yes I believe it was. Maybe not for everyone one but it felt OK for me.
The week in Olu Denise with the NHPC was a really great holiday and very enjoyable. The chat at night times about the day’s events was hilarious.
I personally think the course is absolute madness but you do learn important lessons of what to do if it all turns to shit.
Would I do another one........Probably not but might repeat some of the more useful manoeuvres.
Any questions.
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S.I.V Course Olu.. Denize 2007
S.I.V Means Simulated Incidence in flight
The course lasts around 4 days
The day starts at around 8am
Introduction safety Life Jackets Radios and water proof containers for the radios . Type of glider and colours are noted. Your experience and the like are discussed. I only had 6 hours when I did the course. The reason for this was not because I was mad or a hero, but because I could fly a paraglider but I didn’t know what to do if things went wrong and I considered this quite a dangerous time of transition.
The mornings manoeuvres are discussed and it takes a bit of remembering what you have to do as there can be few. The same happens after lunch in the afternoon. It is quite hard work and you will be exhausted mentally if not physically at least I was. Plus you don’t get much sleep at night as your mind is racing about what’s coming the next day.
The Truck takes you up to launch of Mt Babadag where there’s a choice of take offs 1700 or 1900 meters. If the wind is too strong or the top is covered by cloud there’s another exciting take off at 900 meters.
Most take offs are alpine launches so these need to be practised before you go, you do not want to make an arse of these on take off you have enough on your mind as it is....Practise them and get them right.
There are many manoeuvres during the course so I’ll try to recall some of them as I remember.
It starts with big ears then big big ears everyone has done big ears but the big big ears leaves just a small section of wing flying above your head. All manoeuvres finish with wing overs where Jockey makes you really go for it.
There are self induced full frontal tucks where you pull on the brakes to slow down the glider then you release to let the wing speed up and surge forward. When the wing is well in front of you, you grab the “a” risers and pull as hard as you can the canopy does a massive frontal tuck but recovers in seconds. I remember quizzing Jockey at the briefing on this one as I thought it was dangerous.
There were loads of asymmetrics where you pull on the “A” risers on one side and correct with weight shift and brake. No big deal once you’ve done it several times.
There were rapid decent manoeuvres one of them was “B” Lining where you slid your arms right up the “B” lines and pulled down slowly. At first it’s quite hard and it can lift you out of your harness then the pressure drops and you’re able to hold the lines down. This breaks the back of the glider and destroys the airflow over the canopy. The rate of decent can be quite high.
There was search for spin where you would slow the glider down then bury one brake. The glider would almost instantly go into a spin at which point you would put both hands up to recover. The glider would stabilise then surge forward quite a bit which had to be damped. This was done several times.
There was my favourite where you had to pull on one of your “a” lines then lean into the turn only to see what happens if you don’t correct collapses. The idea is to rotate a couple of times then release with opposite brake and weight shift. This can go very wrong and put you into a very severe spiral which is what happened to me. I’ve told this event several times but for those that haven’t heard the outcome it’s worth taking note as it could save you neck.
My Story...... (My account of what happened and how It was corrected)
After many spirals pulling a lot of G and Jocky's voice coming through the radio shout Right brake right brake many times I knew I had a problem. Hand on heart I thought the next command would be deploy deploy. With my right hand locked down hard as hard as it would go I had a look around above my head wondering why the glider wouldn't react. The answer was in my left hand I had about 4" of brake on the left side didn't even know I was pulling it. As soon as I put my left hand up the glider came out with a bang then a "Massive" surge forward. The sail looked lower than the horizon and you get the feeling you might fall into it. I pulled so hard on the brakes to stop the surge it all corrected itself quite quickly. Jocky's voice was ecstatic with this " Fantastic recover" I was ecstatic because the fcuk thing came out. He then said OK wing overs down to the beach.....I told him to fcuk off.
Many of the manoeuvres end up with a cravat in the wing sometimes there’s two. What you learn from this is a cravat can be either nothing or something. If you keep the glider flying straight with the cravat in and use the stabilo line to pull the tangle out it’s not a big deal. If you don’t keep the glider flying straight it will very quickly go into a turn then a spiral which will probably end up as a reserve deployment.
Then you have your final day.
The morning is taken up with the full stalls....several of them. This day was the only day that I saw Neil Smith going up in the truck saying nothing with quite a worried look on his face. Maltby and I got to take off and went into a corner by ourselves constantly going through the manoeuvre time and time again. We both came to the conclusion that we had stalled all sorts of aircraft and if we carried it out exactly how Jockey had told us there wouldn’t be a problem. Ha ha ha.......
The idea is to pull down hard on both brakes and lock your arms and keep them locked this is very important. The glider falls way behind you similar to being tipped off a stool backwards. It’s at this point that you feel like you want to release your arms but you must keep them locked. The glider is just a bag of washing above your head and rocks forward and back. It’s essential that you keep your arms locked until the glider is in front of you and then you release in a two stage movement. So glider in front of you release brakes to about half way then quickly release the rest of them then dampen out the forward surge. You will be made to do several stalls.
As most of you will know Jill Mcgeachie had troubles when she stalled craveted spiralled then deployed into the sea. This was worth watching and seeing things you only read about in Skywings. Jill's a man's woman but me being a bit of a girl would have had my reserve out as soon as the spiral locked in. Having said that see had the height to experiment (Much height) and she got it flying again. I doubt you would have that luxury in the UK.
The very last trip up the mountain allowed you to do anything you wanted on your glider while still under supervision. Some pilots did spirals some did SATS I "SAT" on the beach with a beer watching as I’d had my spiral the day before and didn’t want another.
SIV conclusion.
Was six hours flying time enough to do an S.I.V Yes I believe it was. Maybe not for everyone one but it felt OK for me.
The week in Olu Denise with the NHPC was a really great holiday and very enjoyable. The chat at night times about the day’s events was hilarious.
I personally think the course is absolute madness but you do learn important lessons of what to do if it all turns to shit.
Would I do another one........Probably not but might repeat some of the more useful manoeuvres.
Any questions.
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"Jill's a man's woman"
Erm I hope you are meaning a VERY feminine mans woman John, I certainly wasnt wearing speedos on the beach
Its a great week and you will learn a lot, the main thing I learned, was that you dont need to panic. On some dodgy things, even if you have no input, your glider wants to fly, and for those dodgy things that do need input, you will learn that o the course.
Would I do it again.......Yes but on a different glider.
Erm I hope you are meaning a VERY feminine mans woman John, I certainly wasnt wearing speedos on the beach
Its a great week and you will learn a lot, the main thing I learned, was that you dont need to panic. On some dodgy things, even if you have no input, your glider wants to fly, and for those dodgy things that do need input, you will learn that o the course.
Would I do it again.......Yes but on a different glider.
This my year - 2009!
Turkey SIV
Hi Guys,
It's way more expensive to book flights, transfers and accomodation separately. I bet you could get a cheap deal at a travel agent. I did a google search for Turkey holidays and found a self catering package near Oludeniz for £366 incl flights and transfers. However the Mrs won't let me go as I've already got 2 flying holidays and a road trip booked.
In the past I stayed at the Hangies/Surfer lodge at Lanzarote booking flights separately etc. Then the penny dropped an I started taking a package holiday to Lanza for half the price.
The above is just for information. Hope it helps.
Cheers,
Glenn
It's way more expensive to book flights, transfers and accomodation separately. I bet you could get a cheap deal at a travel agent. I did a google search for Turkey holidays and found a self catering package near Oludeniz for £366 incl flights and transfers. However the Mrs won't let me go as I've already got 2 flying holidays and a road trip booked.
In the past I stayed at the Hangies/Surfer lodge at Lanzarote booking flights separately etc. Then the penny dropped an I started taking a package holiday to Lanza for half the price.
The above is just for information. Hope it helps.
Cheers,
Glenn
You are only as good as your last flight........
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Googled Booking a holiday in Olu Denize for one got all inclusive for £388 pity I'm doing different things on that date
http://www.lowcostholidays.com/bookingsummary.aspx
http://www.lowcostholidays.com/bookingsummary.aspx
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I m not sure there is any stupilation to stay where Jocky says.
I can't see any difficulty staying 10kms from Olu and saving £300 to spend on new gear.
Hire car? Bus?
I can't see any difficulty staying 10kms from Olu and saving £300 to spend on new gear.
Hire car? Bus?
You are only as good as your last flight........
I have always booked flights and accom seperate, and have always found it cheaper.
The best place to stay in May is the Karbel hotel. It is right behind the Flying Dutchman, and i have only paid £12 a night in the past.
Flights should come in around £200 / £230.
The best place to look is travelrepublic.co.uk
Hmmmmmm...... maybe it is not so cheap this year!
I have just looked on that site. You may be better of going further South if you want some decent flying at this time of year.
The best place to stay in May is the Karbel hotel. It is right behind the Flying Dutchman, and i have only paid £12 a night in the past.
Flights should come in around £200 / £230.
The best place to look is travelrepublic.co.uk
Hmmmmmm...... maybe it is not so cheap this year!
I have just looked on that site. You may be better of going further South if you want some decent flying at this time of year.
It is sad to measure your life in terms of hours flown...... but even sadder not to.........