Hi Everyone
Excellent article in this months Cross Country Mag.
"Accidents , damned lies and statistics." I tend to agree that too much emphasis is put on accidents to the detriment of the sport.
These graphs are not seen in motorbyke magazines etc, everything should be seen in context as it is elsewhere. Overstating accidents is something that deters people from free-flying.
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That said I was a little deterred on Saturday after witnessing that dumping onto the hilltop, any news on how he is and what went wrong?
Not so deterred that it stopped me having an hour way up high on Sunday mind you - best flight yet! Still some way to go before I can ditch the ribbon though.
Not so deterred that it stopped me having an hour way up high on Sunday mind you - best flight yet! Still some way to go before I can ditch the ribbon though.
I'll never be this young again!
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gary stenhouse
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well after my first trip back to the hill and seeing the whole accident i am pleased to say that it did not leave me with any morbid fear of the sport. i am glad to say that the pilot came off without serious injury other than bruises, all i can say as some one was looking down on him, as i did not think it was possible to come out without serious injury. the only reason i did not get spooked as i have not seen such pilot error in someone flying a dhv2 wing. unfortunately i had just turned andrews video off as the whole thing would of been on camera.
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word of warning if in doubt put the hands up.
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I feel...
I think completely the other way round Ron...there are too many accident that don't get reported... so sadly we can't learn from them !
As we all know 99.9% of all incidents are pilot error and if reported we can all learn from them, then hopefully the figures should start to drop.
Most incident in PG are due to poor ground handling & not current
HG incidents are due to lack of staying current.
As we all know 99.9% of all incidents are pilot error and if reported we can all learn from them, then hopefully the figures should start to drop.
Most incident in PG are due to poor ground handling & not current
HG incidents are due to lack of staying current.
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Got to say I agree with Ron Freeman 
What is the point of not learning from an accident? What do you do then just put your head in the sand and pretend it hasn't happened and it was all devine intervention? I'm sorry but I personally would rather learn from pilot mishaps and save my own bones from damage.
The likes of Mike fenny who wrote a good report of his own incident at Crimdon speaks volumes for the man.
Na have a crash report it so other can learn and avoid the same happening to them...Makes complete sense to me.
What is the point of not learning from an accident? What do you do then just put your head in the sand and pretend it hasn't happened and it was all devine intervention? I'm sorry but I personally would rather learn from pilot mishaps and save my own bones from damage.The likes of Mike fenny who wrote a good report of his own incident at Crimdon speaks volumes for the man.
Na have a crash report it so other can learn and avoid the same happening to them...Makes complete sense to me.
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I'm still freaked out about the incident on sunday and cant believe he walked away. Still there is a god and so long as i learn to ground handle and fly better there is hope. He must of landed on a soft bit. I hoped i do.
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Luck not judgment is my penny's worth on sunday.
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be realistic its the same accident time and time again and when they stop gliders getting accimetrics stalls and and tucks you will read the the same accident pilot error what ever as long as you fly. to burry your head in the sand is to think that it might not happen to you and believe me it can get you when you least expect it. we have been reading about the dangers of drinking and driving for ever and has the statistics changed? no they have got worse. the point is we our human and we make mistakes, not intentianaly but we do it, its how we cope when it happens and you sometimes then need luck on your side as well as staying calm, not always easy when you facing possible death?
as humans we can learn from mistakes but often choose not to or just ignore the risk
as humans we can learn from mistakes but often choose not to or just ignore the risk
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One of the marks of a good PILOT is one who admits to his mistakes and is willing to share his experience with others so that they may hopefully learn from it and not make the same mistake. Those who choose to bury the incident and pretend that it did not happen are a danger to themselves and others and in my opinion should be kept well away from others.
Nearly every time I have been out free flying I have witnessed some sort of incident that if it had happened in the "Commercial" world would have been reported on.
Mike's incident report impressed the hell out of me far more than any Pilots XC flight report of many Kms flown.
Don't bury your head in the sand. Report any incident no matter how small so that others may learn from your mistakes/experiences and possibly save other families from the grief that a number are coping with around the world at this time.
Thanks All.
Mike
Nearly every time I have been out free flying I have witnessed some sort of incident that if it had happened in the "Commercial" world would have been reported on.
Mike's incident report impressed the hell out of me far more than any Pilots XC flight report of many Kms flown.
Don't bury your head in the sand. Report any incident no matter how small so that others may learn from your mistakes/experiences and possibly save other families from the grief that a number are coping with around the world at this time.
Thanks All.
Mike
And remember the more Incident Report forms we fill in the better it is for us in the eyes of our insurers. As the more forms they get involving small non-injury accidents rather then just getting ones where people got smashed up, the less risky our sport will look to them. In the long run this will create a much better image and eventually possibly lead to a relaxation of the strict liability levels which effect all BHPA schools.
So come on get your head out of the sand and let the whole world know and learn about your "Boo Boo's". I am currently filling one in as I blacked out doing a spiral dive last week on mountain glider with a light weight very upright harness, 17 years of flying and things still can catch you out!! So I intend to let others know about the error of my ways as it potentially was very dangerous and I only just released what was happening as I lost all vision, a scary one for sure.
So come on get your head out of the sand and let the whole world know and learn about your "Boo Boo's". I am currently filling one in as I blacked out doing a spiral dive last week on mountain glider with a light weight very upright harness, 17 years of flying and things still can catch you out!! So I intend to let others know about the error of my ways as it potentially was very dangerous and I only just released what was happening as I lost all vision, a scary one for sure.
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As a matter of interest what is the procedure in our club if there is an incident? Are we reliant on the pilot themselves to report it or does the safety officer actively go and find out what happened and file the report. Where are these form kept?
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i am not against reporting accidents i think it is good to have statistics for insurance companys etc. but for most accidents that i have read about the raporting of them seems to make no differance in the prvention of them.
what i would agree on is that if you canot ground hndle your glider safely then you probable outr less likely to be able to fly safely. the next time you have 5 minutes spare and theres a nice light wind about get yourself on the field and practice it, as you will find out so much about your wing and you will enjoy yourself in the progress.
also you will make a complete tit of yourself in fresh winds when the crowds our out
what i would agree on is that if you canot ground hndle your glider safely then you probable outr less likely to be able to fly safely. the next time you have 5 minutes spare and theres a nice light wind about get yourself on the field and practice it, as you will find out so much about your wing and you will enjoy yourself in the progress.
also you will make a complete tit of yourself in fresh winds when the crowds our out