repacking bullatin from the bhpa interesting

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:25 pm

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Chris L · Post by **Chris L** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:02 am

This leaves non-qualified packers open to being sued by anyone who has a problem with a bad reserve deployment
Maybe worth getting someone in the club on the EPPS course who can attend and oversee repacks and to get these organised on a 6 monthly basis. I'd be willing to volunteer if this is of interest

Brian Nellist · Post by **Brian Nellist** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:19 pm

Nice one for stepping forward Chris !!!!

With your sky diving experience who better !!! (Well there's always Jan

) the club could benifit with more people having EPPS

and as for 6 monthly sessions,Great idea

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:26 pm

What should happen, everybody should learn how to repack there own reserve ! and this would stop anyone from being sued..

Ian Miskin (former club member) was sent on the same course pay for by the club and the problem was that you are not qualified straight away because you have to pack quite a few reserves after the course and this takes time.. + with sixty members you can't expect one person to do the lot..

cheers.

RonDon · Post by **RonDon** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:42 pm

Yes Chris Little would be a good man with all his packing experience.

Also I am thinking of Ron Freeman who has been a coach for Paragliders and Hang gliders for a long time. He would be well placed also to be a reserve packer.

Chris L · Post by **Chris L** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:16 am

I'm not suggesting that one person packs everyone's reserve just that they are there at repacks to offer guidance and overee packing and to help with any queries etc I think if we have a record of doing these repack sessions for those people who have done the EPPS course then it shouldn't take to long for them to get their qualification

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:18 am

The club has done three repack sessions over the years, one in Eldon square two at the the scouts hut in Ponteland. I was present at all of them and overall around 10% of the club turned up.. to make repacks successful we need members who will support the club repacks on a regular basis to make it worth covering the cost of sending someone on the course which is - £250.00 p.p. (not including B&B and fuel)

Good idea but needs thinking about.. I know a few pilots who have attended this course and they experienced the same problems getting members to committ and make it all worth while.

The Zip wire seems to be the answer ! the attendance figures are great, its a win, win situation ! your club covers its costs and members feel that
they have achieved something by throwing their reserve and repacking it.

cheers

AngusB · Post by **AngusB** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:33 am

I would love to learn how to repack my reserve, I don't want to think of it as part of my own equipment that I don't know & understand everything about...which is exactly what it is at the moment.
I'd vote for 2 repacks being included in the annual club fee as an optional extra, that should make it fair to those who fly with other clubs & have it done there. Your reserve is a last resort, you should want it to open & it "should" be repacked twice a year.

bill-scott · Post by **bill-scott** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:35 am

I agree with ronnie everyone should become comfortable with packing there own reserve and the only way to do this is to do it again and again but trying to organise a repack session that will be well attended is a nightmare we have a possible venue but after the response to my question who will attend i am begining to think is it really going to be worth it
http://www.nhpc.org.uk/nhpc/viewtopic.php?t=7865

we have to pay for the room and we would have to have someone in attendance to oversee things propablly ronnie( although I havent asked him yet) he would also have to be paid for his time as although he is a club member he is also a professional instructor and weekends are when he works
I'ts not really a question of the money the club has the funds but with possiblly only four people turning up maybe the money would be better spent sending someone on this course

I know people have work commitments as do i and nothing can be done about that
so where do we go from here I am a bit reluctant to ask brian to book the room with the possibillity that only for people turn up

maybe we should forget about a full on repack event for the time being and just do them two or three at a time at the corner house
thoughts please

Post by **colin keightley** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:09 pm

I must say I was reluctant to put my name down for the re-pack because as most of you know if I say im going to turn up somewhere I do, and without a firm date I cant say that for a Sunday as once a month I go to see my Step Daughter. I seriously dont think a formal gathering will work in our instance. I dont think there are many in our club who given a good flying day would just shrug off the event and go flying instead even if they have put a tenner deposit down.

I really do think the money would be better spent on getting someone qualified.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:18 pm

I think Colin has got it spot on !

Bill, I would be happy to do the course with Chris and the costs could be recovered from members paying for cut price repacks until the club gets their money back ?

The current price for a full repack is around £45 so say charge members £25 which is a good deal until the club funds have been restored.

Only 20 repacks would cover the course costs..

Cheers

Chris L · Post by **Chris L** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:04 pm

Thats one option but my thinking was that if we gained the qualification then we could organise and attend to regular repack sessions to oversee and sign off reserve re-packs by those who attended. That way people get to learn how to pack themselves under the guidance of a qualified packer
(without charging for this?) I'm assuming theres enough in the club funds to do this without needing to recoup the course fees by charging members, I think the only way folk would pay for this is if they handed over their reserve to get it repacked without having to do it themselves or going to a repack session ??? Maybe thats what people want?? then they aren't tied up over a weekend or evening
If so the club will need at least two people qualified to do the repacks and then recoup the course fees

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:07 pm

I was expecting our members to be present so they learn how to do it themselves Chris, a repack + instruction for £25 quid is excellent value ! a defiante win, win, situation for all.

bill-scott · Post by **bill-scott** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:23 pm

when Ian miskin done the course which I believe the club paid for he would do a repack at anytime for club members on a drop it off and pick it up later basis and charged £20 for this service. But he also had a lot to do with organizing and overseeing the repack events we had back then.
If that's the way we want to go that's fine by me but when is the course? what can we do now

Sad Northerner · Post by **Sad Northerner** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:26 am

I'm up for doing the repack course as well.

Generally I agree with what is said above; that we should all be well versed on how to pack our reserves.

Remember, it is not during the winter months in the comfort of the club meetings that we 'need' to know how to repack our reserves....it's when we are on hill side, prior to take off, when our reserve accidentally deployed and there is no 'official' reserve packer around when we really need to know.

The more people who attend this course the better and, as Chris stated, the more we can disseminate information about how to safely pack a reserve the better.

Ali

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:00 pm

Could not agree more Ali, the more the merrier ! but.. I don't understand when you say prior to take off when our reserve accidentally deployed ?

Sad Northerner · Post by **Sad Northerner** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:07 pm

just a hypothetical example based on personal, and witnessed, experience Ron... I've seen a few occasions when reserves have been pulled out of their container before launching (when loading in and out of cars, reserve handles catching on things etc..etc) and the subsequent bemusement trying to get them correctly packed and located again.

Ali

Post by **colin keightley** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:28 am

Or even when your on holiday you dont want a reserve deployment ruining the rest of your holiday because you dont know how to repack it

Sad Northerner · Post by **Sad Northerner** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:25 am

Aye....that's another one.

Brian Nellist · Post by **Brian Nellist** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:42 pm

Hi all.

Venues & dates and people turning up etc.
Once a month we have a venue booked.(Corner house)from what time ? to closing time.Over the winter month meet early have repacks before and after the meetng.organise the tables you could possibly be doing 3 chutes at a time,how many could be done in one night ? Ron freeman on hand for tuition & a fee paid to ron out of the club funds,Just a thought.

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